we don't think -- i agree with leader pelosi, we don't certainly want to look at reducing health care costs for people or reducing social security benefits because we want to give large tax cuts to the wealthiest in america. that's not, i think, a policy that the american public thinks is either smart, or frankly, moral. >> it's going to be a tough couple days. thank you so much. u.s. congressman steny hoyer, house democratic leader. >> thank you, chris. joining me now, democratic senator mark warner of virginia. on the banking, budget and commerce committees. senator warner, i was wondering in the course of the -- as we get closer and closer to the deadline on the action of the debt ceiling legislation, why are we not hearing from big business? why are we not hearing from tom donahue of the u.s. chamber of commerce demanding action to avoid a default? >> chris, as you know, and many of your viewers, i'm a pro-business democrat out there.